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		<title>By: Pritesh</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Pritesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post made my day.
Am now Zero To Tested With Cucumber and Factory Girl application owner :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post made my day.<br />
Am now Zero To Tested With Cucumber and Factory Girl application owner <img src='http://www.claytonlz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jasper,

Thanks for the comments. I&#039;ve since change the way I use Cucumber and have come to terms with my previous abuse of the tool. I definitely subscribe to the &quot;You&#039;re cuking it wrong&quot; stuff that&#039;s been going around as well as supporting the recent decision to remove @web_steps.rb@ from cucumber-rails.

Unfortunately I haven&#039;t found the time to go back and edit all of my old Cucumber related posts, so they&#039;ll have to stand as a testament to how I used to do things incorrectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jasper,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments. I&#8217;ve since change the way I use Cucumber and have come to terms with my previous abuse of the tool. I definitely subscribe to the &#8220;You&#8217;re cuking it wrong&#8221; stuff that&#8217;s been going around as well as supporting the recent decision to remove <code>web_steps.rb</code> from cucumber-rails.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I haven&#8217;t found the time to go back and edit all of my old Cucumber related posts, so they&#8217;ll have to stand as a testament to how I used to do things incorrectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Kennis</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Kennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, specify a test per aspect. So, instead of:
      Scenario: Creating a new Owner
        Given I am on the homepage
        And I follow &quot;Owners&quot;
        Then I should be on the owners index page
        Given I follow &quot;New owner&quot;
        And I fill in &quot;Name&quot; with &quot;Clayton&quot;

Do something like:
      Scenario: Viewing owners
        Given I am on the homepage
        And I follow &quot;Owners&quot;
        Then I should be on the owners index page
      Scenario: Adding owners
        Given I am on the &quot;New owner&quot; page (probably without &quot;)
        And I fill in &quot;Name&quot; with &quot;Clayton&quot;

Sorry for the spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, specify a test per aspect. So, instead of:<br />
      Scenario: Creating a new Owner<br />
        Given I am on the homepage<br />
        And I follow &#8220;Owners&#8221;<br />
        Then I should be on the owners index page<br />
        Given I follow &#8220;New owner&#8221;<br />
        And I fill in &#8220;Name&#8221; with &#8220;Clayton&#8221;</p>
<p>Do something like:<br />
      Scenario: Viewing owners<br />
        Given I am on the homepage<br />
        And I follow &#8220;Owners&#8221;<br />
        Then I should be on the owners index page<br />
      Scenario: Adding owners<br />
        Given I am on the &#8220;New owner&#8221; page (probably without &#8220;)<br />
        And I fill in &#8220;Name&#8221; with &#8220;Clayton&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry for the spam.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Kennis</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Kennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to write proper tests
As a developer
I should not us &quot;and&quot; to much

Instead of :
      When I fill in &quot;Name&quot; with &quot;Bruno&quot;
      And I select &quot;Dog&quot; from &quot;Species&quot;
      And I select &quot;March 19th, 2005&quot; as the &quot;DOB&quot; date
      And I select &quot;Clayton (clayton@example.org)&quot; from &quot;Owner&quot;
      When I press &quot;Create&quot;

it&#039;s better to say:
      When I submit the create form

and specify the exact values for the form fields and action to submit in the step definition. This way the behavior stays the same even if the form changes, and there is a clearer difference between &quot;When I submit the create form&quot; and &quot;When I submit the create form with wrong values&quot;.

For low level tests on what is acceptable input and what is not, don&#039;t use Cucumber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to write proper tests<br />
As a developer<br />
I should not us &#8220;and&#8221; to much</p>
<p>Instead of :<br />
      When I fill in &#8220;Name&#8221; with &#8220;Bruno&#8221;<br />
      And I select &#8220;Dog&#8221; from &#8220;Species&#8221;<br />
      And I select &#8220;March 19th, 2005&#8243; as the &#8220;DOB&#8221; date<br />
      And I select &#8220;Clayton (clayton@example.org)&#8221; from &#8220;Owner&#8221;<br />
      When I press &#8220;Create&#8221;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s better to say:<br />
      When I submit the create form</p>
<p>and specify the exact values for the form fields and action to submit in the step definition. This way the behavior stays the same even if the form changes, and there is a clearer difference between &#8220;When I submit the create form&#8221; and &#8220;When I submit the create form with wrong values&#8221;.</p>
<p>For low level tests on what is acceptable input and what is not, don&#8217;t use Cucumber.</p>
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		<title>By: Perhaps</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Perhaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vijay: if you&#039;re using rails you should probably just put this in your Gemfile.

gem &quot;factory_girl_rails&quot;

And then run bundle install</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vijay: if you&#8217;re using rails you should probably just put this in your Gemfile.</p>
<p>gem &#8220;factory_girl_rails&#8221;</p>
<p>And then run bundle install</p>
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		<title>By: vijay prasad</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>vijay prasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 06:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi  Clayton,
I found this tutorial very helpful.It nice post and really fulfil what I need .let me introduce myself, I am a php  developer and new to the Testing and ROR  framework .
I am facing one  issue during  installation process of sudo gem install thoughtbot-factory_girl --source=http://gemcutter.org .
It show  me one error: &quot; ERROR:  Could not find a valid gem &#039;thoughtbot-factory_girl&#039; (&gt;= 0) in any repository 
ERROR:  Possible alternatives: freegenie-factory_girl, malvestuto_factory_girl, jeffrafter-factory_girl, dm-factory_girl, verbose_factory_girl --
&quot;.
So, Please suggest  me which possible alternatives is used for better meant of testing with your post.I am  unable to predict good choice for testing framework.So Please help me  with your valuable suggestion.
Thanks a lot for you suggestion in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi  Clayton,<br />
I found this tutorial very helpful.It nice post and really fulfil what I need .let me introduce myself, I am a php  developer and new to the Testing and <span class="caps">ROR  </span>framework .<br />
I am facing one  issue during  installation process of sudo gem install thoughtbot-factory_girl &#8211;source=http://gemcutter.org .<br />
It show  me one error: &#8221; ERROR:  Could not find a valid gem &#8216;thoughtbot-factory_girl&#8217; (&gt;= 0) in any repository <br />
<span class="caps">ERROR</span>:  Possible alternatives: freegenie-factory_girl, malvestuto_factory_girl, jeffrafter-factory_girl, dm-factory_girl, verbose_factory_girl &#8211;<br />
&#8220;.<br />
So, Please suggest  me which possible alternatives is used for better meant of testing with your post.I am  unable to predict good choice for testing framework.So Please help me  with your valuable suggestion.<br />
Thanks a lot for you suggestion in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to this article a little late but it is exactly what I needed to push me forward.  Thanks for this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this article a little late but it is exactly what I needed to push me forward.  Thanks for this!</p>
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		<title>By: Zigzo</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Zigzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clayton, I found this post to be fantastic and i&#039;m not sure why it doesn&#039;t have more comments as it&#039;s VERY helpful.

I&#039;ve posted it on rubyflow.com and gave you credit -- hopefully more eyes see it because IMO (as a noob) cucumber makes a lot of sense when reading the tutorials and stuff out there ... but when you sit down to actually use it some things do not click from the get go like simple &quot;crud&quot; tests.... 

anyways, thanks dood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clayton, I found this post to be fantastic and i&#8217;m not sure why it doesn&#8217;t have more comments as it&#8217;s <span class="caps">VERY </span>helpful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted it on rubyflow.com and gave you credit &#8212; hopefully more eyes see it because <span class="caps">IMO </span>(as a noob) cucumber makes a lot of sense when reading the tutorials and stuff out there &#8230; but when you sit down to actually use it some things do not click from the get go like simple &#8220;crud&#8221; tests&#8230;. </p>
<p>anyways, thanks dood.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.claytonlz.com/2010/03/zero-to-tested-with-cucumber-and-factory-girl/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent post!</p>
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